ancient little bird in a spaceship limping across universe to raze a mile-high mountain with its diamond-hard beak
Really, промоутеры?
Робби, похоже, снова некогда учиться было.
Соррьки за забивание лент, но это же не моя вина, что люди только сейчас спохватились, поняв, какие возможности упускали всё это время.
UPD4: вот это разгул ваще. Ну где, где были эти люди прошедшие месяцы?!
Ещё два интервью. И выбор слов всё более смелый, как будто Робби названивают и ЦУ раздают быть агрессивнее в нахваливании полуфинала.
TVFanaticRobbie Kay Teases Once Upon A Time Winter Finale: Is Pan Redeemable?
Are Peter Pan’s days numbered on Once Upon A Time?
Not yet, at least, as in Once Upon A Time Season 3 Episode 9 we saw that Pan had switched bodies with Henry and is on board the ship taking our group back to Storybrooke.
What will happen when everyone realizes Henry isn’t Henry?
Who better to ask than Peter Pan himself, or Robbie Kay, the British actor who has made this new villainous incantation of the iconic character very much his own. While we’ve loved to hate Pan this season, will he continue on the show once we get beyond tonight’s mid-season finale?
Let’s see if we can find out...
TV Fanatic: In general, how did you approach playing Peter Pan, especially with this villainous take on him?
Robbie Kay: Pan is a very iconic character that a lot of people relate to and everyone knows the tale of Peter Pan so to come in and put a different twist was certainly a challenge; it was something I had to think about quite a lot. There are many core values that resonate with the original Peter Pan and that was very difficult to convey although it was a lot of fun for me with this role, especially with the nature of the show is that they do like to put twists on these iconic characters and it was fun to work with the people I’ve seen on screen and really create the role as something quite distinctive.
TVF: Can you talk about that big Pandora’s Box scene between Pan and Rumple? It was a great scene because everything was finally on the table.
RK: We had an awful lot of fun shooting that scene and it took the majority of the day because it was such a pivotal scene. Me and Bobby had a lot of fun doing it. It was quite a meaty scene and there were a lot of great moments in there and lots of emotions to convey. Of course, by that point the secret that [Rumple] was my son was out there so you saw these characters in a different light for the first time. That was one of my favorite scenes that I shot on the series.
TVF: When did you find out that Pan was Rumple’s father?
RK: I knew that not too long after I joined the show so I knew it early on so I could play certain subtleties that wouldn’t occur originally when you watched it.
TVF: Now, where we left off last week, Pan is inside Henry’s body but will we still see you in this next episode?
RK: I can tell you that there will be a body switch again. I will return to my original body. That’s certainly happening in the finale.
TVF: Did you and Jared [Gilmore, who plays Henry] talk about the fact that Pan would be inside Henry and how to play that?
RK: We talked a little bit about that prospect when the sсript first came out. We thought it would be quite cool that we’d be switching bodies and getting to play each other’s characters and mannerisms a little bit. There was a little bit of preparation trying to get each other’s mannerisms in but we obviously had a very good time. Just playing someone else, for me, especially, since I was playing such an evil character for the first nine episodes, it was nice to play a normal, good person on the show for a little while.
TVF: Do you think there’s any way that Pan can be redeemed for everything he’s done?
RK: Yeah, I think what Once Upon A Time does really well is there are a lot of layers with their characters. Like Rumplestiltskin, there is vulnerability there and there’s that chance for redemption so you could be seeing that with Pan. Again, he’s a very complex character with a lot of layers and you don’t know the full extent of the story so you don’t know what could happen.
TVF: Is there any chance we’ll see Pan after this Sunday’s episode? Any chance he could stick around?
RK: I can’t say anything about Pan’s presence after the midseason finale.
TVF: Outside of Jared and Bobby, who have you had a good time working with? You’ve worked with pretty much everybody throughout this season.
RK: Yeah, obviously Jared and Bobby are both brilliant people to work with but, you’re right, I have worked with a myriad of the cast at this point. It’s just been brilliant to really get to know these people because they’re all just so fantastic and they’re such a brilliant ensemble cast.
But working with Jennifer Morrison (Emma), especially when we started to work on episode 2, that was a lot of fun and Lana (Regina), as well, has been really fun to work with and she’s a wonderful person. They’re all just fantastic.
TVF: Looking at your acting credits, you played Pinocchio a few years back so maybe being on Once Upon A Time wasn’t too much of a leap for you as an actor.
RK: Yeah, I have gone down that fairy tale/fantasy route before, it seems. I did a TV miniseries for a few years ago on Pinnochio. We shot that in Italy about five years ago so I was a lot younger but I had a lot of fun doing that.
TVF: What do you see yourself doing in your acting career in five years? Comedy? Drama? TV? Film?
RK: Honestly, I would just love to continue the path that I’m going on right now. I graduate next May from school and after that I plan on continuing my career as an actor. I would love to see myself doing all sorts, really. I love the difference between TV and film and going between those worlds so whether it’s TV or film or maybe even theater, which I’d like to try out at some point, but the whole idea behind this whole industry is fascinating to me and I’d love to continue.
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YahooTV'Once Upon a Time' Star Robbie Kay Previews Peter Pan's Wicked Plan
Will Storybrooke become the new Neverland?
In the tense winter finale of "Once Upon a Time," Emma, Snow White, and Prince Charming race to stop the diabolical Peter Pan from casting a new curse that could destroy the entire town.
This season's introduction of Peter Pan flipped the beloved character on his head. Yahoo TV chatted with Robbie Kay about the show's very different take on Pan, as well as his thoughts on whether the character has any good left in him.
This version of Peter Pan is very unique. What's it been like playing this iconic character as a villain?
It's been a very interesting dynamic to portray that character. Pan on the whole is a very, very interesting character, and it's very refreshing for the show, I suppose, to get a very young character into the cast. It's a huge divergence from the character we're used to. The original Peter Pan is seen very much as a protagonist and a hero ... It's been a much different spin on him. I've had a very, very good time creating that new kind of character, that darker, more sinister Pan.
Well, then you also got to play a second character — Henry! Did you and Jared Gilmore talk about how you would play each other's roles?
There was a bit of discussion. It's been nine episodes and myself and Jared have had a lot of scenes together and we've had a lot of time to get to know each other and familiarize ourselves with each other's characters and mannerisms, so that certainly helped a lot.
On "Once Upon a Time," there've been quite a few villains who seemed irredeemable, only to show a good side. Do you think that could happen for Pan?
I've always believed there's always a chance for redemption in any character, regardless of their actions and thought processes. There's always vulnerability in a character, and you do see that vulnerability shine through in certain moments, especially in Pan's conversations with Rumple, his son. You see that he does actually want a second chance with his son.
We've seen fairy tale characters struggling to adapt to modern life in Storybrooke? Will we see that with Pan, too?
Yeah, he's no longer in his own environment. You've seen in the entire season so far, he's been embedded in his own environment and he knows the area, so it's going to be very interesting to see how he adapts to the new environment, especially coming in as an outsider and someone that everyone's aware of and looking out for.
As you've seen in Episode 10, the shadow's presence is still there, and there's still that threat within Storybrooke and with the prospect of enacting a new curse. His idea to create a new Neverland is certainly a threat. It seems like the character is a very adaptable one.
What's the fan reaction been like to this new and different Pan?
I've had some great fan reaction. I have a presence on Twitter, so it's great to see that feedback and recognition from fans of the show. A lot of people use that medium while watching the show and there are live tweets and the cast does a lot, so sometimes I chip in with that.
What can you tease about the winter finale?
I can say that the midseason finale is definitely going to be a good one. There are a lot of interesting moments and scenarios in store. I can say that there will be another body switch, back into Pan's original body. And you're going to see a huge climax to the 11-episode arc.
It's going to be very, very exciting, enthralling, climatic and on the whole, very, very packed full of interesting scenarios.
UPD3: и ещё одно интервью. В принципе, вопросы всё те же, но отдельными словами проскакивает интересное.
HitFixInterview: 'Once Upon A Time''s Peter Pan - Robbie Kay
The teen actor promises a 'very iconic' episode this Sunday
Have you ever wanted to talk to Peter Pan? More than a few people might want to chat with the J.M. Barrie creation, though they might hesitate to swap words with the version currently tearing up the joint on "Once Upon A Time" (Sun. at 8:00 p.m. on ABC). As Pan, Robbie Kay has gotten to take the iconic character to dark, dark places, and now he's poised to take down Storybrooke and all of our beloved fairytale characters with a killer spell in this week's midseason finale. I spoke to Kay about playing Pan, playing Henry, and why this week's midseason finale should be "very iconic."
What has it been like diving into this layered character, who's also a negative take on a children's classic? It would seem to be overwhelming.
First of all, it's certainly been overwhelming to delve into this character, because it's diverging from the iconic character everyone's used to. I knew fairly early on about his relationship with Rumplestiltskin, which was helpful. It certainly has been very interesting to see how this character developed.
As bad as Pan is, though, he can also be quite charming.
Pan has very many layers and different sides, but he's manipulative. He'll manipulate whatever and whoever he can, like with Henry in episode 7, telling him he's the savior of magic. It's been a cool dynamic to see the core ensemble reacting to Pan, and seeing him interacting with that core ensemble.
Of course, right now you're not playing Pan -- you're Henry trapped in Pan's body. Did you work with Jared Gilmore to capture any of his specific Henryisms?
That's right; because of the body switch, I'm in Henry's body due to Pan using his magic in episode nine, so that's been interesting. There was no formal sit-down, though. We shot the episode very quickly, but we did try to play off each other's mannerisms. The two characters have had a lot of interaction up to this point, so we're familiar with one another. We've had time to play that.
Pan now seems to have changed focus, though. Casting a spell on Storybrooke just seems vindictive.
Since he exhausted all paths to obtaining his heart, now he has new aims and new drives. He seems to be a very power hungry individual, so what he had in Neverland he's trying to create in Storybrooke.
I realize you can't give any hints about what's coming up on Sunday night, but is there anything you can say about it?
You never know what direction the show will go in, but it's going to be a very iconic episode, and the climax of the arc everyone's been interested to see. You'll have to wait until March 9 to see the end result, however.
Do you get recognized as Peter Pan?
Every now and then, when I'm at a mall or out to dinner, it does occur. The show has a large following and a lot of people watch the show, so it's nice to see that actually played out in real life.
When you do get recognized, do people ever assume you must be a little evil?
Some people become so immersed an a show they have an image that the actor is not too dissimilar, but fortunately I've never had that experience. And no one thinks I'm really Pan, luckily.
Do you read about yourself or the show online? I bet there's a lot of commentary on what Pan's up to.
I am on Twitter frequently, which is a great way to get feedback when the show is airing and see what people are saying about the show. The fans use it as a medium to give feedback to all of us, and it's a good way to see what they think.
We don't know if Pan's coming back, but either way, you have a break right now. Any plans?
It is nice to have that break! I'm currently in school, so I graduate in May. Potentially, thre's always room for college plans, but I'm taking a gap year, as I've decided I want to be embedded in my work.
Most of the cast, with a few exceptions, have been with the show from the beginning. What was it like to come into that as the new kid?
It was very interesting to come into a TV series that had such a close and connected cast. They shoot nine months out of the year in Vancouver, so they're like a family. Although it was daunting coming into a new set, it was actually quite similar to changing schools, which I'm quite accustomed to, having done it quite a bit in my life. In this case, you're in a professional workplace and they're all very kind.
Yes, but are they pranksters? Did you have any fun on the set?
I'll tell you ever single day I'm on set, there's never a dull moment. Sometimes you're in the studios all day, but it's never boring. There are so many great personalities on set, and everyone is in such a good mood... most of the time. On the whole it's been a fantastic experience.
As an actor, it just more fun to play the bad guy?
Pan is brilliant to play. There's has a lot of layers to it. Althought he's the antagonist, a lot of viewers on the show tend to like the antsgonist, so it's been great to do. I've had a wonderful time.
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UPD2:
Bоа, целое интервью в THR!
The Holywood Reporter'Once Upon a Time': Robbie Kay on Peter Pan's Evil Storybrooke Plan and Repercussions
"The ball's not in his court anymore because he's outside of an environment he's familiar with," the actor tells THR of Pan's new Storybrooke environment. "You see a different sort of attitude when it comes to how he handles situations."
Will Peter Pan be successful is his quest to turn Storybrooke into Neverland 2.0?
Once Upon a Time will tackle that looming question in the Dec. 15 fall finale, "Going Home," which picks up after Pan -- who switched bodies with Henry -- revealed his dangerous plan to turn Storybrooke into a Neverland clone.
Actor Robbie Kay, who plays the villainous Pan, talks to The Hollywood Reporter about switching things up with the body swap, Pan's true intentions and whether Pan accomplishes his main mission.
How would you describe your experience playing an iconic character like Peter Pan?
It's definitely been a journey so far, it really has. To portray an iconic character has been brilliant in itself and to be able to do that on a show like Once Upon a Time enhances that because the show puts a spin on characters and makes them very different and puts core values that are very different that aren't in the original fairy tales a lot of people relate to. It's been very fun to be honest. The feedback so far has been fantastic to see. It's been a great experience really.
Pan has been a part of several big reveals, one of them being that he is actually Rumplestiltskin's father. What was your reaction to that big character moment?
I found out relatively early on as sort of a preparation technique I suppose, although I was baffled by that fact. I did not see that coming. Obviously with the nature of the show, a lot of people seem to be related with each other. (Laughs.) I definitely wasn't expecting that relation to emerge. When I found out, I was absolutely taken aback, but I think it's a brilliant twist. I don't think many people at all saw that coming. It was great to see that reaction.
The family is definitely complex. Have you perfected a method to keep track of it all?
It's crazy! We have to be aware of [all the connections] when we're playing scenes but it is hard to keep track of. Sometimes you're like "Oh yeah, that person is that person's mother!" Or the other way around. When we're doing scenes with 10 to 12 castmembers, it's sometimes hard.
After playing Pan for so long, what was it like to play Henry?
It was very refreshing, to be honest, because I had been playing quite an evil character that a lot of the other castmembers resented. In every scene they were giving very glaring looks so it was quite nice to try a role that people actually liked in terms of the characters in the show. (Laughs.) I know Jared [Gilmore, who plays Henry,] had a lot of fun playing Peter Pan. It was a pleasure to see that body reversal.
Were there aspects to how Jared has been playing Henry that helped shape your interpretation of the character?
For the first few episodes before that, we had been doing a lot of scenes together. We had a lot of time to look at each of us played our own rules so that helped an awful lot in portraying the other version's mannerisms when it came to switching bodies.
Now that the characters are in Storybrooke and not Pan's usual Neverland haunts, how different does he operate?
He's not in his own environment anymore. He's very much in an alien place which is quite thrilling for the character because he was in Neverland for a very long time. The ball's not in his court anymore because he's outside of an environment he's familiar with. You see a different sort of attitude when it comes to how he handles situations.
Is he more mistake-prone?
I wouldn't say he's prone to making more mistakes. You'll find out Sunday in the midseason finale what happens and how he reacts to situations, although he has a plan set out in his mind which is to create a new Neverland. That holds many repercussions and consequences.
Is that now his big mission, to conquer different lands and turn them into Neverland clones?
You could say that. He had a strive for immortality -- to remain young forever and you saw that -- but now he's achieved immortality, it's a question of where do you go from there. You could say that that's one of his aims.
Can you tease a scene from the upcoming fall finale?
I can tease that there will be another body switch so you will see the Pan that everyone recognizes back in his own body. So you'll see a lot of interesting moments from that.
©Робби, Робби, придержи коней, когда это Питер достиг бессмертия?
А вообще, интервью в THR - это уже наш пакетик! Так держать!
Ещё полноценное интервью.
ParadeRobbie Kay Talks Once Upon a Time, Evil Peter Pan, and His Love of Doctor Who
ABC’s Once Upon a Time sure knows how to mix it up. It wasn’t enough for one of the best fantasy dramas on TV to just head to Neverland in this latest season, but they also had to throw in appearances by Tinker Bell, Ariel, the Pied Piper, a Shadow voiced by Marilyn Manson, and a very twisted, evil Peter Pan. This isn’t the Pan you’ve come to know through years of reading J.M Barrie’s stories or watching Disney’s classic 1953 animated masterpiece. This is a dark, villainous Peter Pan played to perfection by eighteen-year-old Robbie Kay and we’re all about to find out what he has planned for the town on Storybrooke as it all unfolds on Once Upon a Time’s Winter finale this Sunday on ABC at 8PM. Parade sat down with Kay to discuss the finale, his future on the show, playing evil Peter Pan, and how he’d love to get a shot on Doctor Who.
Were you nervous about taking role of Evil Peter Pan because it’s so different than what people are used to seeing from the character?
It was certainly a daunting prospect to launch myself into this iconic character when it has such a different spin on it, in true Once Upon a Time nature. Obviously you see with many different characters they do have very different qualities that aren’t necessarily recognizable, and Pan in particular has that trait. He’s usually the protagonist and the hero and a character that a lot of children can really relate to, but Once Upon a Time has put a very different spin on it. I was very interested to see how that sort of character would develop and play out, so I felt very privileged to be able to take on that role, and it’s been very, very fun so far.
So it was more exciting for you than nerve-wracking.
Yeah, absolutely. I just thought it was such a fantastic opportunity that couldn’t be passed up on. I was actually rather nervous going into it though as well as excited. You’re going into a third season of a show where everyone is very much acquainted and integrated, so that was quite a daunting experience at first. But, obviously, everyone was very welcoming and everyone is used to seeing new faces pop in and out of the show as well.
What was it like in Neverland with that big group of young actors playing the Lost Boys? Was it just a non-stop party?
[Laughs] Sometimes it seemed like it, to be honest. There were a lot of great, really fun scenes. In episode four, we actually had a dancing troupe of Lost Boys that came in and they were all professional dancers. They were a great laugh and a lot of fun to have around. It’s just been a lot of fun, really. Especially working with the ensemble cast. They have such a great sense of humor and they’re all very dedicated to their work. They just want to do a good job, which is always refreshing.
You’ve essentially had to play two different characters this season. What was that like for you as an actor to have to make that transition mid-stream?
I’ll tell you what: It’s been so much fun. I love how in Once Upon a Time you get the opportunity to do things like that in contrast to other series where often you would be playing one character. I don’t know many people that can say they played two. That recent twist where Pan turned into Henry and Henry turned into Pan was very, very fun to play and actually quite refreshing at the same time. It was nice to not have to play the character that every single cast member hated and despised because he was so bad. [Laughs]
And they let you keep the accent when you switched over to Henry as well.
Yes! Yeah, that was again another interesting prospect. Obviously with the physicality of the bodies it sort of made sense for them to keep the way that they use language. It would have been interesting to have myself in an American accent and Jared [Gilmore] in an English one though.
I’m sure this Sunday’s winter finale is going to be huge and something big is going to happen, but will you be back when the show returns?
Well, I can’t say anything about the prospect of my character, so you’ll have to wait until Sunday (and then on March 9 when the season returns) to find out about that, but you’re right in saying that the winter finale is going to be a lot of fun. There are a lot of different scenarios that play out and this eleven-episode arc really comes to a climax, which will leave you very satisfied.
Let’s put it this way: If all the stars align, would you like to be back?
I would love to be back, to be honest. I’ve had such a fantastic experience that it would be great to continue it.
You’ve done a bunch of film work, but this is your first TV show. Did the experience make you want to do more TV or are you ready to go back to film?
There are a lot of similarities with film and TV, but also a lot of differences, especially in the way they film stuff. I’ve had a great time getting to know people very well. That’s always been a quality in the film and television industry that I’ve loved the most. Probably one of my favorite things about the job is that you get to formulate fantastic relationships with people in a working environment so people are very much professional but, at the same time, they can be relaxed and all-around brilliant. It’s been really nice to spend a really long period of time with the same group of people to work on a show we all know and love. That’s been the best part about it, to be honest.
Are there any shows you’d just love to get a shot on after you’re finished with Once Upon a Time?
Oh, absolutely. When Breaking Bad was on, I would have loved to have been a part of that. Obviously The Walking Dead is ongoing. That’s another AMC show that’s very, very good. Actually, Doctor Who as well. I’ve followed that for a very long time and would love to potentially experience some sort of presence on that show as well, if the opportunity arises.
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Робби, Робби, осторожней со словами!
Олсо, мне прям даже обидно, что меня Доктор ну совершенно не цепляет.
UPD: Ооо, эти козлы вспомнили про Робби! - 2
(я подумала, чем сущности умножать, буду лучше пост подкидывать, раз уж нас внИзапно решили завалить Робби-промоушеном - не, ну где вы были раньше, идиоты???целый сезон целых полсезона игнорировали свою новую звезду! )
Zap2it'Once Upon a Time's' Robbie Kay teases 'more body-switching' in the fall finale
Robbie Kay has been holding his own this season on "Once Upon a Time" as the villainous Peter Pan, going toe-to-toe with the likes of Lana Parrilla and Robert Carlyle.
"It was certainly a challenge," Kay tells Zap2it. "They're two very, very strong characters and actors on the show. They both do a brilliant job playing villains. It's been really great to get to know the two and have a lot of fun with them."
He adds that it's also been fun playing against what most people usually think of when they think Peter Pan.
"The good thing is he's not one of those characters that replicates the image of what everyone has in their heads of what they perceive Peter Pan to be," says Kay. "This is a very different, very dark take on it. I've had an awful lot of fun with creating that character, it's been a brilliant experience."
In Sunday's episode, titled "Going Home," Peter Pan (in Henry's body) is threatening Storybrooke with a curse that will kill everyone there. Kay tells us that switching bodies has been a fun experience, especially after being such a bad guy for so long.
"It's quite an odd storyline, changing bodies, because obviously myself and Jared [Gilmore] have to replicate our mannerisms, in a sense. ... We had a lot of fun doing that. It was quite nice to actually play a good guy for once, after being so horrible to everyone for nine episodes," Kay says.
"You will be seeing more body-switching (а то мы не знаем… Poбби разрешили секрет Полишинеля разболтать)," he adds. "I don't know how much I can say about the content of the episode. You'll have to tune in on Sunday."
He also teases that "you are going to see a showdown, that's for sure," but he won't reveal to us if this is the last we'll see of Peter Pan on the show. Do you hope Peter Pan sticks around, fans?"
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Хехе, название блога, который о Робби написал тоже удачное, FROM INSIDE THE BOX, понимаешь. Эх, как было бы круто, публикни они материальчик на прошлой неделе.
Ооо, эти козлы вспомнили про Робби!
E!Online"Are we going to see any changes in Pan's relationship with Rumple in the next episode of Once Upon a Time?
Funny you should ask! We just got off the phone with the TV's most evil 17-year-old, Robbie Kay, and he tells us that we will definitely see some father/son shifts in this Sunday's brand-new episode. "You are going to see a change in the relationship in the mid-season finale. So they will touch upon that and it will be very interesting to see where they go from there in terms of their relationship as the season progresses." Hmm, perhaps this means that Pan will be sticking around after the winter hiatus? We're currently crossing our fingers and toes and hoping for a yes!"
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Hy ё-моё! A как же "нет никаких планов кроме школы"?! Или это не считая Ванса?
Только чтоб не Малкольм! 
Askramandora, не смотрите этот сник!И в серии это место промотайте! Вот правда! Кошмааар! Я три раза посмотрела, все три раза вопила в экран! Причём, сразу по многим причинам!
Робби, похоже, снова некогда учиться было.
Соррьки за забивание лент, но это же не моя вина, что люди только сейчас спохватились, поняв, какие возможности упускали всё это время.
UPD4: вот это разгул ваще. Ну где, где были эти люди прошедшие месяцы?!
Ещё два интервью. И выбор слов всё более смелый, как будто Робби названивают и ЦУ раздают быть агрессивнее в нахваливании полуфинала.
TVFanaticRobbie Kay Teases Once Upon A Time Winter Finale: Is Pan Redeemable?
Are Peter Pan’s days numbered on Once Upon A Time?
Not yet, at least, as in Once Upon A Time Season 3 Episode 9 we saw that Pan had switched bodies with Henry and is on board the ship taking our group back to Storybrooke.
What will happen when everyone realizes Henry isn’t Henry?
Who better to ask than Peter Pan himself, or Robbie Kay, the British actor who has made this new villainous incantation of the iconic character very much his own. While we’ve loved to hate Pan this season, will he continue on the show once we get beyond tonight’s mid-season finale?
Let’s see if we can find out...
TV Fanatic: In general, how did you approach playing Peter Pan, especially with this villainous take on him?
Robbie Kay: Pan is a very iconic character that a lot of people relate to and everyone knows the tale of Peter Pan so to come in and put a different twist was certainly a challenge; it was something I had to think about quite a lot. There are many core values that resonate with the original Peter Pan and that was very difficult to convey although it was a lot of fun for me with this role, especially with the nature of the show is that they do like to put twists on these iconic characters and it was fun to work with the people I’ve seen on screen and really create the role as something quite distinctive.
TVF: Can you talk about that big Pandora’s Box scene between Pan and Rumple? It was a great scene because everything was finally on the table.
RK: We had an awful lot of fun shooting that scene and it took the majority of the day because it was such a pivotal scene. Me and Bobby had a lot of fun doing it. It was quite a meaty scene and there were a lot of great moments in there and lots of emotions to convey. Of course, by that point the secret that [Rumple] was my son was out there so you saw these characters in a different light for the first time. That was one of my favorite scenes that I shot on the series.
TVF: When did you find out that Pan was Rumple’s father?
RK: I knew that not too long after I joined the show so I knew it early on so I could play certain subtleties that wouldn’t occur originally when you watched it.
TVF: Now, where we left off last week, Pan is inside Henry’s body but will we still see you in this next episode?
RK: I can tell you that there will be a body switch again. I will return to my original body. That’s certainly happening in the finale.
TVF: Did you and Jared [Gilmore, who plays Henry] talk about the fact that Pan would be inside Henry and how to play that?
RK: We talked a little bit about that prospect when the sсript first came out. We thought it would be quite cool that we’d be switching bodies and getting to play each other’s characters and mannerisms a little bit. There was a little bit of preparation trying to get each other’s mannerisms in but we obviously had a very good time. Just playing someone else, for me, especially, since I was playing such an evil character for the first nine episodes, it was nice to play a normal, good person on the show for a little while.
TVF: Do you think there’s any way that Pan can be redeemed for everything he’s done?
RK: Yeah, I think what Once Upon A Time does really well is there are a lot of layers with their characters. Like Rumplestiltskin, there is vulnerability there and there’s that chance for redemption so you could be seeing that with Pan. Again, he’s a very complex character with a lot of layers and you don’t know the full extent of the story so you don’t know what could happen.
TVF: Is there any chance we’ll see Pan after this Sunday’s episode? Any chance he could stick around?
RK: I can’t say anything about Pan’s presence after the midseason finale.
TVF: Outside of Jared and Bobby, who have you had a good time working with? You’ve worked with pretty much everybody throughout this season.
RK: Yeah, obviously Jared and Bobby are both brilliant people to work with but, you’re right, I have worked with a myriad of the cast at this point. It’s just been brilliant to really get to know these people because they’re all just so fantastic and they’re such a brilliant ensemble cast.
But working with Jennifer Morrison (Emma), especially when we started to work on episode 2, that was a lot of fun and Lana (Regina), as well, has been really fun to work with and she’s a wonderful person. They’re all just fantastic.
TVF: Looking at your acting credits, you played Pinocchio a few years back so maybe being on Once Upon A Time wasn’t too much of a leap for you as an actor.
RK: Yeah, I have gone down that fairy tale/fantasy route before, it seems. I did a TV miniseries for a few years ago on Pinnochio. We shot that in Italy about five years ago so I was a lot younger but I had a lot of fun doing that.
TVF: What do you see yourself doing in your acting career in five years? Comedy? Drama? TV? Film?
RK: Honestly, I would just love to continue the path that I’m going on right now. I graduate next May from school and after that I plan on continuing my career as an actor. I would love to see myself doing all sorts, really. I love the difference between TV and film and going between those worlds so whether it’s TV or film or maybe even theater, which I’d like to try out at some point, but the whole idea behind this whole industry is fascinating to me and I’d love to continue.
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YahooTV'Once Upon a Time' Star Robbie Kay Previews Peter Pan's Wicked Plan
Will Storybrooke become the new Neverland?
In the tense winter finale of "Once Upon a Time," Emma, Snow White, and Prince Charming race to stop the diabolical Peter Pan from casting a new curse that could destroy the entire town.
This season's introduction of Peter Pan flipped the beloved character on his head. Yahoo TV chatted with Robbie Kay about the show's very different take on Pan, as well as his thoughts on whether the character has any good left in him.
This version of Peter Pan is very unique. What's it been like playing this iconic character as a villain?
It's been a very interesting dynamic to portray that character. Pan on the whole is a very, very interesting character, and it's very refreshing for the show, I suppose, to get a very young character into the cast. It's a huge divergence from the character we're used to. The original Peter Pan is seen very much as a protagonist and a hero ... It's been a much different spin on him. I've had a very, very good time creating that new kind of character, that darker, more sinister Pan.
Well, then you also got to play a second character — Henry! Did you and Jared Gilmore talk about how you would play each other's roles?
There was a bit of discussion. It's been nine episodes and myself and Jared have had a lot of scenes together and we've had a lot of time to get to know each other and familiarize ourselves with each other's characters and mannerisms, so that certainly helped a lot.
On "Once Upon a Time," there've been quite a few villains who seemed irredeemable, only to show a good side. Do you think that could happen for Pan?
I've always believed there's always a chance for redemption in any character, regardless of their actions and thought processes. There's always vulnerability in a character, and you do see that vulnerability shine through in certain moments, especially in Pan's conversations with Rumple, his son. You see that he does actually want a second chance with his son.
We've seen fairy tale characters struggling to adapt to modern life in Storybrooke? Will we see that with Pan, too?
Yeah, he's no longer in his own environment. You've seen in the entire season so far, he's been embedded in his own environment and he knows the area, so it's going to be very interesting to see how he adapts to the new environment, especially coming in as an outsider and someone that everyone's aware of and looking out for.
As you've seen in Episode 10, the shadow's presence is still there, and there's still that threat within Storybrooke and with the prospect of enacting a new curse. His idea to create a new Neverland is certainly a threat. It seems like the character is a very adaptable one.
What's the fan reaction been like to this new and different Pan?
I've had some great fan reaction. I have a presence on Twitter, so it's great to see that feedback and recognition from fans of the show. A lot of people use that medium while watching the show and there are live tweets and the cast does a lot, so sometimes I chip in with that.
What can you tease about the winter finale?
I can say that the midseason finale is definitely going to be a good one. There are a lot of interesting moments and scenarios in store. I can say that there will be another body switch, back into Pan's original body. And you're going to see a huge climax to the 11-episode arc.
It's going to be very, very exciting, enthralling, climatic and on the whole, very, very packed full of interesting scenarios.
UPD3: и ещё одно интервью. В принципе, вопросы всё те же, но отдельными словами проскакивает интересное.
HitFixInterview: 'Once Upon A Time''s Peter Pan - Robbie Kay
The teen actor promises a 'very iconic' episode this Sunday
Have you ever wanted to talk to Peter Pan? More than a few people might want to chat with the J.M. Barrie creation, though they might hesitate to swap words with the version currently tearing up the joint on "Once Upon A Time" (Sun. at 8:00 p.m. on ABC). As Pan, Robbie Kay has gotten to take the iconic character to dark, dark places, and now he's poised to take down Storybrooke and all of our beloved fairytale characters with a killer spell in this week's midseason finale. I spoke to Kay about playing Pan, playing Henry, and why this week's midseason finale should be "very iconic."
What has it been like diving into this layered character, who's also a negative take on a children's classic? It would seem to be overwhelming.
First of all, it's certainly been overwhelming to delve into this character, because it's diverging from the iconic character everyone's used to. I knew fairly early on about his relationship with Rumplestiltskin, which was helpful. It certainly has been very interesting to see how this character developed.
As bad as Pan is, though, he can also be quite charming.
Pan has very many layers and different sides, but he's manipulative. He'll manipulate whatever and whoever he can, like with Henry in episode 7, telling him he's the savior of magic. It's been a cool dynamic to see the core ensemble reacting to Pan, and seeing him interacting with that core ensemble.
Of course, right now you're not playing Pan -- you're Henry trapped in Pan's body. Did you work with Jared Gilmore to capture any of his specific Henryisms?
That's right; because of the body switch, I'm in Henry's body due to Pan using his magic in episode nine, so that's been interesting. There was no formal sit-down, though. We shot the episode very quickly, but we did try to play off each other's mannerisms. The two characters have had a lot of interaction up to this point, so we're familiar with one another. We've had time to play that.
Pan now seems to have changed focus, though. Casting a spell on Storybrooke just seems vindictive.
Since he exhausted all paths to obtaining his heart, now he has new aims and new drives. He seems to be a very power hungry individual, so what he had in Neverland he's trying to create in Storybrooke.
I realize you can't give any hints about what's coming up on Sunday night, but is there anything you can say about it?
You never know what direction the show will go in, but it's going to be a very iconic episode, and the climax of the arc everyone's been interested to see. You'll have to wait until March 9 to see the end result, however.
Do you get recognized as Peter Pan?
Every now and then, when I'm at a mall or out to dinner, it does occur. The show has a large following and a lot of people watch the show, so it's nice to see that actually played out in real life.
When you do get recognized, do people ever assume you must be a little evil?
Some people become so immersed an a show they have an image that the actor is not too dissimilar, but fortunately I've never had that experience. And no one thinks I'm really Pan, luckily.
Do you read about yourself or the show online? I bet there's a lot of commentary on what Pan's up to.
I am on Twitter frequently, which is a great way to get feedback when the show is airing and see what people are saying about the show. The fans use it as a medium to give feedback to all of us, and it's a good way to see what they think.
We don't know if Pan's coming back, but either way, you have a break right now. Any plans?
It is nice to have that break! I'm currently in school, so I graduate in May. Potentially, thre's always room for college plans, but I'm taking a gap year, as I've decided I want to be embedded in my work.
Most of the cast, with a few exceptions, have been with the show from the beginning. What was it like to come into that as the new kid?
It was very interesting to come into a TV series that had such a close and connected cast. They shoot nine months out of the year in Vancouver, so they're like a family. Although it was daunting coming into a new set, it was actually quite similar to changing schools, which I'm quite accustomed to, having done it quite a bit in my life. In this case, you're in a professional workplace and they're all very kind.
Yes, but are they pranksters? Did you have any fun on the set?
I'll tell you ever single day I'm on set, there's never a dull moment. Sometimes you're in the studios all day, but it's never boring. There are so many great personalities on set, and everyone is in such a good mood... most of the time. On the whole it's been a fantastic experience.
As an actor, it just more fun to play the bad guy?
Pan is brilliant to play. There's has a lot of layers to it. Althought he's the antagonist, a lot of viewers on the show tend to like the antsgonist, so it's been great to do. I've had a wonderful time.
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Bоа, целое интервью в THR!
The Holywood Reporter'Once Upon a Time': Robbie Kay on Peter Pan's Evil Storybrooke Plan and Repercussions
"The ball's not in his court anymore because he's outside of an environment he's familiar with," the actor tells THR of Pan's new Storybrooke environment. "You see a different sort of attitude when it comes to how he handles situations."
Will Peter Pan be successful is his quest to turn Storybrooke into Neverland 2.0?
Once Upon a Time will tackle that looming question in the Dec. 15 fall finale, "Going Home," which picks up after Pan -- who switched bodies with Henry -- revealed his dangerous plan to turn Storybrooke into a Neverland clone.
Actor Robbie Kay, who plays the villainous Pan, talks to The Hollywood Reporter about switching things up with the body swap, Pan's true intentions and whether Pan accomplishes his main mission.
How would you describe your experience playing an iconic character like Peter Pan?
It's definitely been a journey so far, it really has. To portray an iconic character has been brilliant in itself and to be able to do that on a show like Once Upon a Time enhances that because the show puts a spin on characters and makes them very different and puts core values that are very different that aren't in the original fairy tales a lot of people relate to. It's been very fun to be honest. The feedback so far has been fantastic to see. It's been a great experience really.
Pan has been a part of several big reveals, one of them being that he is actually Rumplestiltskin's father. What was your reaction to that big character moment?
I found out relatively early on as sort of a preparation technique I suppose, although I was baffled by that fact. I did not see that coming. Obviously with the nature of the show, a lot of people seem to be related with each other. (Laughs.) I definitely wasn't expecting that relation to emerge. When I found out, I was absolutely taken aback, but I think it's a brilliant twist. I don't think many people at all saw that coming. It was great to see that reaction.
The family is definitely complex. Have you perfected a method to keep track of it all?
It's crazy! We have to be aware of [all the connections] when we're playing scenes but it is hard to keep track of. Sometimes you're like "Oh yeah, that person is that person's mother!" Or the other way around. When we're doing scenes with 10 to 12 castmembers, it's sometimes hard.
After playing Pan for so long, what was it like to play Henry?
It was very refreshing, to be honest, because I had been playing quite an evil character that a lot of the other castmembers resented. In every scene they were giving very glaring looks so it was quite nice to try a role that people actually liked in terms of the characters in the show. (Laughs.) I know Jared [Gilmore, who plays Henry,] had a lot of fun playing Peter Pan. It was a pleasure to see that body reversal.
Were there aspects to how Jared has been playing Henry that helped shape your interpretation of the character?
For the first few episodes before that, we had been doing a lot of scenes together. We had a lot of time to look at each of us played our own rules so that helped an awful lot in portraying the other version's mannerisms when it came to switching bodies.
Now that the characters are in Storybrooke and not Pan's usual Neverland haunts, how different does he operate?
He's not in his own environment anymore. He's very much in an alien place which is quite thrilling for the character because he was in Neverland for a very long time. The ball's not in his court anymore because he's outside of an environment he's familiar with. You see a different sort of attitude when it comes to how he handles situations.
Is he more mistake-prone?
I wouldn't say he's prone to making more mistakes. You'll find out Sunday in the midseason finale what happens and how he reacts to situations, although he has a plan set out in his mind which is to create a new Neverland. That holds many repercussions and consequences.
Is that now his big mission, to conquer different lands and turn them into Neverland clones?
You could say that. He had a strive for immortality -- to remain young forever and you saw that -- but now he's achieved immortality, it's a question of where do you go from there. You could say that that's one of his aims.
Can you tease a scene from the upcoming fall finale?
I can tease that there will be another body switch so you will see the Pan that everyone recognizes back in his own body. So you'll see a lot of interesting moments from that.
А вообще, интервью в THR - это уже наш пакетик! Так держать!
Ещё полноценное интервью.
ParadeRobbie Kay Talks Once Upon a Time, Evil Peter Pan, and His Love of Doctor Who
ABC’s Once Upon a Time sure knows how to mix it up. It wasn’t enough for one of the best fantasy dramas on TV to just head to Neverland in this latest season, but they also had to throw in appearances by Tinker Bell, Ariel, the Pied Piper, a Shadow voiced by Marilyn Manson, and a very twisted, evil Peter Pan. This isn’t the Pan you’ve come to know through years of reading J.M Barrie’s stories or watching Disney’s classic 1953 animated masterpiece. This is a dark, villainous Peter Pan played to perfection by eighteen-year-old Robbie Kay and we’re all about to find out what he has planned for the town on Storybrooke as it all unfolds on Once Upon a Time’s Winter finale this Sunday on ABC at 8PM. Parade sat down with Kay to discuss the finale, his future on the show, playing evil Peter Pan, and how he’d love to get a shot on Doctor Who.
Were you nervous about taking role of Evil Peter Pan because it’s so different than what people are used to seeing from the character?
It was certainly a daunting prospect to launch myself into this iconic character when it has such a different spin on it, in true Once Upon a Time nature. Obviously you see with many different characters they do have very different qualities that aren’t necessarily recognizable, and Pan in particular has that trait. He’s usually the protagonist and the hero and a character that a lot of children can really relate to, but Once Upon a Time has put a very different spin on it. I was very interested to see how that sort of character would develop and play out, so I felt very privileged to be able to take on that role, and it’s been very, very fun so far.
So it was more exciting for you than nerve-wracking.
Yeah, absolutely. I just thought it was such a fantastic opportunity that couldn’t be passed up on. I was actually rather nervous going into it though as well as excited. You’re going into a third season of a show where everyone is very much acquainted and integrated, so that was quite a daunting experience at first. But, obviously, everyone was very welcoming and everyone is used to seeing new faces pop in and out of the show as well.
What was it like in Neverland with that big group of young actors playing the Lost Boys? Was it just a non-stop party?
[Laughs] Sometimes it seemed like it, to be honest. There were a lot of great, really fun scenes. In episode four, we actually had a dancing troupe of Lost Boys that came in and they were all professional dancers. They were a great laugh and a lot of fun to have around. It’s just been a lot of fun, really. Especially working with the ensemble cast. They have such a great sense of humor and they’re all very dedicated to their work. They just want to do a good job, which is always refreshing.
You’ve essentially had to play two different characters this season. What was that like for you as an actor to have to make that transition mid-stream?
I’ll tell you what: It’s been so much fun. I love how in Once Upon a Time you get the opportunity to do things like that in contrast to other series where often you would be playing one character. I don’t know many people that can say they played two. That recent twist where Pan turned into Henry and Henry turned into Pan was very, very fun to play and actually quite refreshing at the same time. It was nice to not have to play the character that every single cast member hated and despised because he was so bad. [Laughs]
And they let you keep the accent when you switched over to Henry as well.
Yes! Yeah, that was again another interesting prospect. Obviously with the physicality of the bodies it sort of made sense for them to keep the way that they use language. It would have been interesting to have myself in an American accent and Jared [Gilmore] in an English one though.
I’m sure this Sunday’s winter finale is going to be huge and something big is going to happen, but will you be back when the show returns?
Well, I can’t say anything about the prospect of my character, so you’ll have to wait until Sunday (and then on March 9 when the season returns) to find out about that, but you’re right in saying that the winter finale is going to be a lot of fun. There are a lot of different scenarios that play out and this eleven-episode arc really comes to a climax, which will leave you very satisfied.
Let’s put it this way: If all the stars align, would you like to be back?
I would love to be back, to be honest. I’ve had such a fantastic experience that it would be great to continue it.
You’ve done a bunch of film work, but this is your first TV show. Did the experience make you want to do more TV or are you ready to go back to film?
There are a lot of similarities with film and TV, but also a lot of differences, especially in the way they film stuff. I’ve had a great time getting to know people very well. That’s always been a quality in the film and television industry that I’ve loved the most. Probably one of my favorite things about the job is that you get to formulate fantastic relationships with people in a working environment so people are very much professional but, at the same time, they can be relaxed and all-around brilliant. It’s been really nice to spend a really long period of time with the same group of people to work on a show we all know and love. That’s been the best part about it, to be honest.
Are there any shows you’d just love to get a shot on after you’re finished with Once Upon a Time?
Oh, absolutely. When Breaking Bad was on, I would have loved to have been a part of that. Obviously The Walking Dead is ongoing. That’s another AMC show that’s very, very good. Actually, Doctor Who as well. I’ve followed that for a very long time and would love to potentially experience some sort of presence on that show as well, if the opportunity arises.
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Робби, Робби, осторожней со словами!
Олсо, мне прям даже обидно, что меня Доктор ну совершенно не цепляет.
UPD: Ооо, эти козлы вспомнили про Робби! - 2
(я подумала, чем сущности умножать, буду лучше пост подкидывать, раз уж нас внИзапно решили завалить Робби-промоушеном - не, ну где вы были раньше, идиоты???
)Zap2it'Once Upon a Time's' Robbie Kay teases 'more body-switching' in the fall finale
Robbie Kay has been holding his own this season on "Once Upon a Time" as the villainous Peter Pan, going toe-to-toe with the likes of Lana Parrilla and Robert Carlyle.
"It was certainly a challenge," Kay tells Zap2it. "They're two very, very strong characters and actors on the show. They both do a brilliant job playing villains. It's been really great to get to know the two and have a lot of fun with them."
He adds that it's also been fun playing against what most people usually think of when they think Peter Pan.
"The good thing is he's not one of those characters that replicates the image of what everyone has in their heads of what they perceive Peter Pan to be," says Kay. "This is a very different, very dark take on it. I've had an awful lot of fun with creating that character, it's been a brilliant experience."
In Sunday's episode, titled "Going Home," Peter Pan (in Henry's body) is threatening Storybrooke with a curse that will kill everyone there. Kay tells us that switching bodies has been a fun experience, especially after being such a bad guy for so long.
"It's quite an odd storyline, changing bodies, because obviously myself and Jared [Gilmore] have to replicate our mannerisms, in a sense. ... We had a lot of fun doing that. It was quite nice to actually play a good guy for once, after being so horrible to everyone for nine episodes," Kay says.
"You will be seeing more body-switching (а то мы не знаем… Poбби разрешили секрет Полишинеля разболтать
)," he adds. "I don't know how much I can say about the content of the episode. You'll have to tune in on Sunday."He also teases that "you are going to see a showdown, that's for sure," but he won't reveal to us if this is the last we'll see of Peter Pan on the show. Do you hope Peter Pan sticks around, fans?"
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Хехе, название блога, который о Робби написал тоже удачное, FROM INSIDE THE BOX, понимаешь. Эх, как было бы круто, публикни они материальчик на прошлой неделе.
Ооо, эти козлы вспомнили про Робби!
E!Online"Are we going to see any changes in Pan's relationship with Rumple in the next episode of Once Upon a Time?
Funny you should ask! We just got off the phone with the TV's most evil 17-year-old, Robbie Kay, and he tells us that we will definitely see some father/son shifts in this Sunday's brand-new episode. "You are going to see a change in the relationship in the mid-season finale. So they will touch upon that and it will be very interesting to see where they go from there in terms of their relationship as the season progresses." Hmm, perhaps this means that Pan will be sticking around after the winter hiatus? We're currently crossing our fingers and toes and hoping for a yes!"
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Hy ё-моё! A как же "нет никаких планов кроме школы"?! Или это не считая Ванса?
Только чтоб не Малкольм! А ещё сник-пик!!! Я его ещё не видела, я знаю, что там слишком много всего показывают, но ни за что не удержусь!
"DOWN, BOY!" Ooo, пристрелите меня, чтобы я не мучалась! Как, как Адам и Эдди могут думать, что с ним можно было за полсезона расправиться???????? Вот КАК?!!!?!?!?!?!?!!?1!1!1!1!1!1!1!!расрасрас
Бедный один! Псих другой! Какой роскошный! ФАААААААААААК!!!!!
Бедный один! Псих другой! Какой роскошный! ФАААААААААААК!!!!!
Askramandora, не смотрите этот сник!
@темы: Peter Pan, ащащащ, OUAT, сериалы отнимают жизнь, Robbie Kay
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13.12.2013 в 23:42Ничего не выйдет, всегда можно через флэши достать.
Вот все-таки главное, что меня удивляет в Пэне - это его какая-то совершенно нутряная, звериная ненависть к собственному сыну
Я вот подумала, может, в самом деле, нет никакого хладнокровия, а есть яростное отрицание? Малкольм не может забыть сына, но так боится перестать быть Питером, так боится, что Тень (ну или там сама по себе неверлендская магия) отнимет у него юность и волшебство, если заподозрит правду, что изо всех сил стремится доказать самому себе, что сын для него - более чем пустое место? Не зря же столько сентенций есть про связи между любовью, ненавистью и равнодушием. Заодно в такой вариант можно худо-бедно уложить его странные метания, выбор имени…
ну как, как АиЭ одним махом ухитрились слить столько линий в унитаз?
Дааа, в этот раз они с особым размахом к делу подошли. Слили не только непосредственно освещаемую в данный момент арку и всех её участников, но и те линии, по поводу которых фанаты млели и неистово теоретизировали годами…
Или хоть в ту же коробочку заточил, на сей раз по-настоящему...
Ну так я про что и говорю, не может он, скорее всего, просто взять и с отцом разделаться. Даже перед угрозой жизни другим любимым людям.
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14.12.2013 в 00:00И да, такая ожесточённая ненависть ПП к сыну мне непонятна.
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14.12.2013 в 01:12Да и Робби нужно
получше проекты себе найтиучиться.Я ещё два здоровых интервью добавила.
Хотя реально интересного и нового там немного.
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14.12.2013 в 11:52Ах, да, ещё Редж - последняя надежда человечества))
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14.12.2013 в 11:56Нуачо, чем он хуже Регины, которая всех прокляла вместе с ненавистной падчерицей? С другой стороны, жители страны любили Снежку и не любили ее (было б странно), там мотивация есть кой-какая.
ПП просто Злодей, потому что Злодей. В нашем шоу это оригинально.
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14.12.2013 в 12:22Угу, "Я дерусь... просто потому что я дерусь". Вот именно, Редж собственными действиями нелюбовь сказочного народа нажила, но хотя бы какая-то явная мотивация в её желании сделать плохо всем была.
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14.12.2013 в 20:45Но тогда бы убил Румпеля (еще ребенком, кстати) - и дело с концом. А Пэн в Неверленде начал с того, что сначала попытался сына запугать, потом задобрить и прогнать, теперь же в первую очередь желает ему безграничных страданий и унижения... И тут у меня опять концы с концами не вяжутся, потому что кидает ПП из крайности в крайность, и почему у него такие зверские намерения насчет жителей Сторибрука - тоже неясно.
Всё-таки главным образом я ржу при мысли о Neverland husbands.
Это вы про Пэна с Феликсом, что ли?
Я вот что-то задумалась: если ПП использует именно сердце Феликса для активации проклятья, не обвинит ли прогрессивная общественность Хоровица и Китсиса в том, что они проталкивают мысль, что геи - зло?
Брыся), Ах, да, ещё Редж - последняя надежда человечества))
*угрюмо сплевывает* Ну а чем она хуже Крюка?
Askramandora, ПП просто Злодей, потому что Злодей. В нашем шоу это оригинально.
Скорее уж маньяк потому что маньяк, увы.
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14.12.2013 в 20:53Госпади, ура
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14.12.2013 в 21:19Я думаю, это два в одном. С одной стороны, его действительно должно быть не так просто убить (хотя было бы неплохо, конечно, прояснить вопрос с тем, что Регина про него говорила, что он, мол, слаб, даже её не осилит, не говоря уже про Румпеля, а теперь на него сначала пришлось магический "намордник" надевать, да и тот не сработал, и вообще ужас-ужас - от Генриного сердца, что ли, напитаться успел?), а с другой, дааа - если Румпель уползёт, такой очевидно к папе неравнодушный, то потом можно будет долго-долго на тему отцеубийства разводит АААААНГСТ.
Чтобы хоть не лицемерить, и заодно свои давние мечты какие-нибудь осуществить...
Дааа, не думать об этом невозможно.
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14.12.2013 в 21:19И он не хочет убить ВСЕХ, только тех (кстати, непонятно кого, только БеБэ или всю расширенную семью), чьи смерти наибольшую боль сынульке причинят. Остальных он просто хочет заставить вечно мучаться. Зачем - для меня тоже загадка. И что вообще подразумевается под этими муками? Невозможность вспомнить истинных себя? Но они же не будут помнить, что что-то потеряли…
Может, беспамятность - это цена, которую платят невинные люди за существование места вне времени, где Питер мог бы продолжать оставаться вечно юным? Но я всё равно не понимаю, если он всезнайка, то должен же знать, что Регина-то не больно веселилась, живя среди "роботов".
Короче, не представляю, как можно хоть сколько-нибудь удовлетворительно на все жти вопросы в пределах одной серии ответить. Даже без учёта Тинк, Генри-старшего, какого-то мутного румбелля…
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14.12.2013 в 22:49Если его кто другой пришибет, драматического шок-эффекта не будет.
sherlomag2011, так не может он сына убить, наверное. И плюнуть на него тоже не может. Поэтому и ярится, и вопрошает драматически про невозможность освободится от него наконец (ведь речь едва ли идёт о том, что Румпель его планам мешает).
Это хорошая идея, перекликающаяся одновременно со сложными чувствами Малькольма к сыну (прекрасно развлекается без него, но стыдится себя и бежит за ребенком, если тот застает его "на месте преступления"), но мне реально все страшнее становится за Румпеля и за то, как ему тоже это все может перекорежить психику - даже до того, как он в Пэна кинжал воткнет.
И еще один маленький фанатский страх - что это испытание опять отобьет у Румпеля всякую охоту к обретению семьи, потому как если у Штильхценов из поколения в поколение один изврат, как он может быть уверен, что он, Темный, вдруг сможет оказаться нормальным мужем и отцом? А зная Румпеля, боюсь, мысль о том, чтобы от собственного проклятия избавиться, ему совершенно искренне в голову не придет, нет у него такой опции для исправления.
И он не хочет убить ВСЕХ, только тех (кстати, непонятно кого, только БеБэ или всю расширенную семью), чьи смерти наибольшую боль сынульке причинят. Остальных он просто хочет заставить вечно мучаться. Зачем - для меня тоже загадка.
Как бы не оказалось, потому что "что бы такого сделать плохого?"
Может, беспамятность - это цена, которую платят невинные люди за существование места вне времени, где Питер мог бы продолжать оставаться вечно юным? Но я всё равно не понимаю, если он всезнайка, то должен же знать, что Регина-то не больно веселилась, живя среди "роботов".
Но ведь ЛостБои все помнили, только считали (более или менее искренне), что Питер дал им лучшую жизнь, чем их семьи.
А насчет жизни среди беспамятных... теоретически, у ПП куда более извратная фантазия, чем у Регины, а следовательно, он мог бы куда более поразвлекаться с биографиями "подопытных". Сделать ту же Эмму городской пьяницей, а Регину - кроткой овечкой и выдать замуж за какого-нибудь настоящего тирана-садиста; а поскольку сотворитель проклятия имеет возможность менять паттерны поведения своих игрушек, тут можно такие ролевые игры устраивать! А ведь именно игра - главное занятие Питера.
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14.12.2013 в 23:12*угрюмо сплевывает* Ну а чем она хуже Крюка? - Чисто субъективно обеление Крюка меньше меня травмирует.
По крайней мере из сников можно сделать вывод, что сердце Румпа для запуска кёрса не понадобится, дымок же вроде уже надвигается к моменту разговора, да?
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14.12.2013 в 23:18Если, конечно, вопрос с сердцем не замнут для ясности, что, учитывая наличие в серии Генри-старшего, будет ну невозможно тупо.
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14.12.2013 в 23:24предположение насчёт Neverland husbands. -
и убить пару-тройку особо неугодных? Хотя я могу чисто на монтаж сника вестись, а там сразу после ката ПП резко руку выбрасывает вперёд и сердце из груди Феликса вырывает!!!-
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14.12.2013 в 23:35Про то, как плохо будет Румпелю, мы ведь ещё во время появления спойлерных фоток переживали. Хотя, конечно, если он заподозрит, что папа на самом деле не врал, говоря, что не забыл его и неравнодушен (например, если несмотря на всю жёсткость, безжалостность и прямо-таки садизм, продемонстрированные в снике, он так и не сможет на сына руку поднять), то всё будет гораздо, гораздо страшнее и тяжелее.
мысль о том, чтобы от собственного проклятия избавиться, ему совершенно искренне в голову не придет
Ну, думаю, если у сериала будет возможность запланированный финал иметь, то такое развитие событий буквально в самый последний момент только и может наступить. Мне не кажется, что нам стоит рассчитывать на историю а ля Спайк, когда Румпель всё сам осознает, решит что-то предпринять, но тут-то до него злобные
Чармингисилы и доберутся.Но ведь ЛостБои все помнили, только считали (более или менее искренне), что Питер дал им лучшую жизнь, чем их семьи.
Ну так ЛостБои-то уже на готовенькое, так сказать, попадали, им не нужно платить за то, что уже и так есть (даже наоборот, я думаю, постоянное присутствие такого количества жителей Нвл только истощало быстрее - в связи с чем мне ещё очень жаль, что нам ни за что не покажут, что произошло с Нвл после ухода оттуда не только Питера, но и Тени - например, как он начал исцеляться, как вянет дримшейд, как первый луч солнца освещает вечную ночь), а тут на пустом практически месте нужно временную дыру соорудить.
А насчет жизни среди беспамятных... теоретически, у ПП куда более извратная фантазия, чем у Регины, а следовательно, он мог бы куда более поразвлекаться с биографиями "подопытных". Сделать ту же Эмму городской пьяницей, а Регину - кроткой овечкой и выдать замуж за какого-нибудь настоящего тирана-садиста; а поскольку сотворитель проклятия имеет возможность менять паттерны поведения своих игрушек, тут можно такие ролевые игры устраивать! А ведь именно игра - главное занятие Питера.
Ну вот, наш коллективный разум снова нашёл всему более или менее стройное объяснение. Жалко только, в сериале мы ничего такого не увидим с вероятностью, бесконечно стремящейся к 100%.
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14.12.2013 в 23:44Да ну, мне кажется, это будет стопиццотый рояль в кустах, даже если об этом прямо заговорят
а там сразу после ката ПП резко руку выбрасывает вперёд и сердце из груди Феликса вырывает!!!
Да что-то мне кажется, раз проклятье уже запущено (вот ещё интересно, когда ЗК проклятие запускала, оно было фиолетовым, когда Румпель истинную любовь в колодец лил - тоже сиреневый туман расстилался, почему вдруг fine green smoke?), а Румпель - живёхонек, то от колодца вернулся только один (опять же, если не замяли). Тем более, Феликс так сиял и гордился Питером (надо же, ему и Генрина мордаха не помеха
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14.12.2013 в 23:48несмотря на всю жёсткость, безжалостность и прямо-таки садизм, продемонстрированные в снике, он так и не сможет на сына руку поднять - Технически уже и руку, и ногу поднял
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14.12.2013 в 23:56Но да, согласна, что разница не слишком большая. Если не посчитать, конечно, что он пока только говорит об убийстве. При том, что мы знаем, что ему убить (или, по крайней мере, приказ отдать) - как два пальца об асфальт.
И ещё не понятно, у Румпеля он память отнимать не планирует? Как иначе насладиться его страданиями?
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15.12.2013 в 00:07Как у меня в избранном написали: "и по поводу проклятия - разве ж для того, чтоб его кастовать, не надо замочить сперва того, кто тебе дорог больше всего? И по-моему у Пэна - это он сам". Вот и я тоже никак не могу на одну полку Генри-старшего и Феликса поставить в плане ценности сердца для кёрса.
Феликс так сиял и гордился Питером (надо же, ему и Генрина мордаха не помеха ), что прямо напрашивался на то, чтобы ему растолковали наконец, что конкретно ценил в нём Питер. -
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15.12.2013 в 00:33Так я ж не спорю с этим ни разу. Потому и говорю, что сейчас быстренько напутают, кто кого любить должен (не совсем то же, но я никак не устану возмущаться тем, что когда Белль память возвращали, использовали для этого чашку, хотя это не её талисман, а Румпеля!!!), и посчитают, что достаточно любить Питера, чтобы сердце сработало. Ну или что-нибудь в том роде пропихнут, что поскольку Румпеля любить Питер не хочет, а Феликса, по крайней мере, ценит за лояльность и кучу полезных качеств, и возможно даже, не хочет терять, то он подойдёт.
что, фиков-то уже настрочили про них? Хёрт/комфорт только в обратной последовательности.
Да уж можно не сомневаться, что понаписали, и во всех возможных
позицияхвариантах. Я же не читаю такое, а просто ржу над "нежными чувствами" Феликса, которые прямо в глаза бросались, когда ЛостБои - убийцы с промытыми мозгами - наперегонки кинулись Питера сдавать, а Феликс был непокобелим и только что не рыдал, глядя на этих мелких предателей, которые явно не оценили все прекрасные качества милого Питера.И вообще-то я не имела в виду ничего такого, говоря о том, что Питер в Феликсе ценит. Это в том смысле было, что пока Феликс считает, что Питер о них заботится, Питера волнует только пригодность Феликса, как высококачественного инструмента при решении разнообразных задач, и прочие ЛостБои, с которыми можно ~играть, промывая им мозги, развращая их (опять же, ничего такого!), науськивая друг на друга и прочее.
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15.12.2013 в 11:58я никак не устану возмущаться тем, что когда Белль память возвращали, использовали для этого чашку, хотя это не её талисман, а Румпеля!!! - Ну, Белль сама говорит про чашечку "моя", а в серии с Ариель толкает речь про "эта чашка бла-бла-бла как наша любовь" - мне кажется, с такими исходными чашку вполне можно считать общим талисманом их отношений.
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15.12.2013 в 14:48мне кажется, с такими исходными чашку вполне можно считать общим талисманом их отношений
He, ну понятно, что именно так нам это и преподносят, но для меня это только лишнее подтверждение, что Белль в их глазах - всего лишь придаток к Румпелю, а не самостоятельная личность.